Pittman-Robertson Act - Good Explanation

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  1. KY Swamp Beagler

    KY Swamp Beagler 12 pointer

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    Here’s a good explanation of the Pittman-Robertson Act and how it figures into wildlife restoration and conservation. Hunting is conservation.

     
  2. rcb216

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    Interesting. Wonder how much KY gets from that.
     
  3. labwild

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    The number of Hunting and Fishing licenses sold is part of the distribution formula.
     
  4. bird whisperer

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  5. rcb216

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    That’s a lot of money for Ky. That don’t count what the Dept gets from Ky license sales and Ky tax from gun sales, fishing rods, tackle etc does it?
     
  6. bird whisperer

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    The KY sales tax on those items go into the state general fund. KDFW only sees the portion collected through the PIttman-Robertson Act. The kicker if you will is if one cent of the Pittman-Robertson money is spent not on Conservation the KDFWR will recieve no future money. A few years back the State Govenment cant remember if it was the Governor or the Legislature started talking about putting KDFW moneys into the general fund to offset a shortfall. Thankfully that got nipped in the bud when they were shown all the Pittman-Robertson money that would be forfeit.
     
  7. TPHunt2Eat

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    Pittman-Robinson is arguably one of the most influential things that have made hunting what it is today. Steven Rinella (Meat Eater) does a lot of great, intellegent conversations and talks about Pittman-Robinson.
     
  8. wprebeck

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    Kentucky needs to take a closer look at how KDFWR is funded. They are short handed in every way, from biologists to conservation officers.

    The starting salary for a biologist here is $29,900. That doesn't begin to compete with other states, so talent will go elsewhere. I have been watching the market closely, as I am starting grad school and will be looking for jobs in resource management very soon. Wisconsin is a high paying state, and virtually any GS-7 job with the feds starts at nearly $15k more than KDFWR.

    On the LE side, DNR officers with Iowa start at around $20k annually higher than KDFWR. Many other states pay close to the same.

    I'm 17 months away from retiring from an LE gig, and have already begun to submit applications for wildlife jobs. Unfortunately, Kentucky isn't on my list of potential states, unless I get a fed job here. I'm far from the only one who thinks that way, and just had some enlightening conversations with a guy in the know at KDFWR.

    The talent pool isn't considering Kentucky, and that's very bad. Very, very bad. Sportsmen should start thinking about the long term ramifications of paying staff so poorly.
     
  9. Iceman35

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    Understand where you're coming from. Hope you get an excellent job when you graduate.

    I'm guessing, however, that a significant increase across the board that you're talking about would require pulling from the State general fund. I'd rather be shorthanded than take one red cent from the general fund, lest the funding start going the other way.
     
  10. wprebeck

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    I'm not advocating for that, necessarily, but something has to be done to fix the problem. When job seekers can make significantly more money elsewhere, who is going to work here?

    I am actually disappointed that I can't make enough money to stay in Kentucky. Between their low pay and ridiculous legislation regarding the pension system, I can do much better elsewhere - especially if I am willing to move. If an employer can't compete with others for talent, due to pay and benefits, what happens to that employer? Will they be able to get qualified people, much less the best qualified?

    We have been seeing this in law enforcement for a while, albeit for different reasons. The quality of new recruits leaves something to be desired, and no one wants to work in the field. KDFWR seems to be heading down the same path.

    I know how much I have in student loans, and to be competitive in the field of natural resource management, one really needs a graduate degree. That means more student loans. Plus, many wildlife agencies require professional certification in The Wildlife Society, which means more requirements to meet and more money to spend.

    Who wants to work for all that, incur nearly six figures of debt, for a job that barely grosses $30k? Montana is hiring at $20k more, right now. In Iowa, a wildlife tech makes more than a biologist in Kentucky. Tennessee isn't bad, and neither is Missouri.

    We have to change something, or there won't be anyone who wants to work here. No resource managers, no law enforcement- what happens to wildlife then?
     
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  11. EC

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    I'd consider the cost of living before getting enamored with a salary.
     
  12. Marsh CallUser

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    This.
     

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