Holodomor - Why the Ukrainians will fight to the death


12 pointer
Feb 20, 2013
La Grange
Stalin in his quest for collective farms began taking farms from people in the Ukraine in the 1930s. Those who resisted were sent to labor camps. The collective farms - just like all socialist/communist initiatives - were a disaster and crop yields were extremely low. Stalin sent in troops to take stored food supplies in the Ukraine to distribute to Russians and he left the Ukrainians to starve. Estimates vary but somewhere between 4 and 7 million Ukrainian people died of starvation. Stalin implemented a passport system to keep the Ukrainians from leaving the areas of starvation. Many countries now consider the Holodomor an act of genocide.

The Holodomor happened a little after the depression so people there have passed down stories to their kids and grandkids just like our parents and grandparents told us about the depression. Only this was much, much worse....Cannibalism was common.

I'm sure those in the Ukraine today have heard the stories. After reading about this act of cruelty imposed on the Ukrainians by the Russians, I can now understand the determination and commitment the Ukrainian people have to keep from being occupied.

JR in KY

12 pointer
Jan 25, 2006
The Occupied South
@timer nailed it. The Ukrainians hate the Russians and the Waffen SS raised 2 Divisions of Volunteers to fight the Russians in WW2. And, yes there is still some Sympathy for the German Army.

Mostly they are Fierce Nationalists who know what the Russians will Do when they eventually take over the country. A lot of us might feel the same way.
I don't know the Answer to this Problem, but it could have been avoided if Brandon got his Head outta his Ass and Armed them up A Year Ago. There would Not have been an Invasion.
It seems NATO will fight to the "Last Ukrainian." But things could go "Off the Rails" at any time....mistakes happen and all it takes is a HardAss Russian commander to lob a few Missiles into a US Base in Poland or Estonia.


12 pointer
Sep 23, 2005
In The Tree Next To Ya
I’m all about Ukraine kicking the shit out of Russia. That would be great. I’m not, however, for US involvement or endless funding and arming of Ukraine because it’s a provocation and it is futile. Probably suicidal as well. Where the eff is Europe?!?
Probably back home flipping us the bird after Brandon shit the nest in Afghanistan and left everybody holding the bag and giving the Taliban a complete arsenal (on our dime)


12 pointer
Oct 31, 2011
High Grove
the new world order, thats what the leader of ukraine said that whats what they were for. i personally dont like the new world order. i think its a disaster, on many levels. just let people be, the government appROACH, dont work an always cost the people x-tra, a free market is the way. let those of conTROLL find other ways to make money. not off the people.
the 1st thing uncle sniff sniff did, is make it hard to survive. he aint done yet.
it only gets harder. 2 more years; i can only imagine the 4th reich is here.

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