Is it time to make Xbow season the same ?

[keeruss8]

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2020-2021. Looks to me like the crossbow and muzzleloader hunters are taking a lot of doe meat home.

Maybe they should separate the seasons more. Give Trad/spear September then filter in the compounds in October and the crossbow folks a couple weeks later.

Those “chip shot @ 200 yards” muzzleloaders sure are hard on doe too. Maybe just lump us into gun season since it’s too easy with those staggering numbers.

Or we can just agree the animosity has nothing to do with deer numbers or enjoying the outdoors, just pride. I kill deer with a compound too. Makes feel like a lady but at least it gets me out there and it’s easy.

I don't know why but I'm kind of shocked at how high the button buck kill is. I didn't realize it would be that many

 

[Bowmostofthetime86]

Those aren’t numbers made by the government. The numbers are reported by the people in the state of Kentucky.

So you know a lot of poachers and automatically the good honest sportsmen and women in this great state are all liars and poachers but mostly just the ones with crossbows.

Never have I seen so much biased ignorance by a group of people that literally use the next easiest tool in the toolbox. I can see Trad bow shooters ruffling feathers as a joke but to vehemently hate your fellow outdoorsmen is just sad.

I’m out on this one until somebody takes a kid hunting and remembers what it’s really about.

Yeah that’s what I said. When once have I said I hate anyone. I have said more than once I am happy for any hunters success regardless of there choice of weapon. I just don’t think hunting with a crossbow is archery hunting. I don’t know a lot of poachers. But I know poaching goes on. I know farmers shoot deer in there crops with or with out tags. I would bet most outdoorsman in this state are honest people even the ones with crossbows. I killed a deer with a crossbow once. I bought one for my kids to hunt with. It’s just not bowhunting to me.

 

[OLE RASPY]

Yeah that’s what I said. When once have I said I hate anyone. I have said more than once I am happy for any hunters success regardless of there choice of weapon. I just don’t think hunting with a crossbow is archery hunting. I don’t know a lot of poachers. But I know poaching goes on. I know farmers shoot deer in there crops with or with out tags. I would bet most outdoorsman in this state are honest people even the ones with crossbows. I killed a deer with a crossbow once. I bought one for my kids to hunt with. It’s just not bowhunting to me.

Then you ain’t happy then. Lololololololol 🍿

 

[bgkyarcher]

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I don't know why but I'm kind of shocked at how high the button buck kill is. I didn't realize it would be that many

I have never killed a button. I know many that have. Some didn't care, some mistook them for does. I've killed one spike, but he had 12-13" spikes, and field dressed 150. I nearly shot a spike with 1.5-2" spikes a few years ago. Thought it was a doe. Thank goodness I put the binos on it.

 

[WildmanWilson]

First off if you read my whole post I said excluding kids seniors and those with disabilities. Second off bow hunters are the reason we have an archery season. Bow hunters in the 50,s and 60’s across the us fought to have seasons dedicated to archery. The seasons could be long due to lower success rates than firearm hunters. This did not account for a rifle scoped stock with a bow screwed on it. It’s archery season. Stocks scopes and bench rested weapons are not archery. Your argument for using an xbow is its to much work and less comfortable to practice with your vertical bow. No different than saying muzzle loaders are to much work to clean and load so we should be able to use modern firearms in muzzleloader season. You started this thread yet you have issue with someone disagreeing with your opinion. That is an elitist attitude more than not accepting crossbows as bowhunting.

Seasons are long because the ever expanding deer herd needs to be controlled.

So who fought for gun season? Muzzle loader season? Who fought for women to vote? What’s it matter how it all started? The fact is we have a huge number of deer that MUST be kept in check. If not the quality goes down for everyone.

Have you seen the technology that’s in modern hunting bows? Yeah, it’s nothing like the the ones the bow hunting founders were using. They can have sights that have rangefinders. The have extremely high let-off. Can be shot effectively and nearly as far as a crossbow ethically. They even have some advantages. Like a second shot. Easier to maneuver. Quieter.

My argument about practice is a personal preference. I just don’t enjoy it anymore. So shoot me. I still hang stands. Scout. Put in as many hour as anyone waiting on a trophy or meat for the freezer. The hang up you have is you believe archery season has a lock on 5 months of the year and screw everyone else. No one ever said only one season can take place at a time.

You feel cheated because you believe someone is getting off easier than you. You have it much easier than the guys that shoot stick bows. They must work harder to be good and much more limited than compound shooters. But I bet you can justify shooting a pimped out modern compound that’s much easier. Prove me wrong.

 

[Bowmostofthetime86]

Seasons are long because the ever expanding deer herd needs to be controlled.

So who fought for gun season? Muzzle loader season? Who fought for women to vote? What’s it matter how it all started? The fact is we have a huge number of deer that MUST be kept in check. If not the quality goes down for everyone.

Have you seen the technology that’s in modern hunting bows? Yeah, it’s nothing like the the ones the bow hunting founders were using. They can have sights that have rangefinders. The have extremely high let-off. Can be shot effectively and nearly as far as a crossbow ethically. They even have some advantages. Like a second shot. Easier to maneuver. Quieter.

My argument about practice is a personal preference. I just don’t enjoy it anymore. So shoot me. I still hang stands. Scout. Put in as many hour as anyone waiting on a trophy or meat for the freezer. The hang up you have is you believe archery season has a lock on 5 months of the year and screw everyone else. No one ever said only one season can take place at a time.

You feel cheated because you believe someone is getting off easier than you. You have it much easier than the guys that shoot stick bows. They must work harder to be good and much more limited than compound shooters. But I bet you can justify shooting a pimped out modern compound that’s much easier. Prove me wrong.

I don’t feel cheated at all I get mine every year. I just don’t want to see future generations of hunters pick up the crossbow cause it’s a bit easier and archery hunting become a thing of the past.

Trust me I know how hard hunting with a trad bow is. I bought a longbow last year shot it a bunch and have hunted with it a few times limiting myself to 15 yard shots.

To date I have missed two does with my longbow. And to be totally honest I missed them both twice. I would not exactly call the compounds I hunt with pimped out. I shoot 1 pin sighted for 25 yards. And it’s fixed there I don’t move it and limit myself to 25 yards.

Again I am going to state I am not mad nor do I hold any contempt for anyone shooting a crossbow. I have hunted with one myself in the past. muzzle loaders hand guns and modern rifles recurves longbow compound bow. And to date have taken game with everything but the longbow. I hope to change that before this season closes.

I felt that the way crossbow season was set In the past before they changed the regs. Was a good length of time for a crossbow season. Shoot me for not agreeing with you lol.

 

[WildmanWilson]

I don’t feel cheated at all I get mine every year. I just don’t want to see future generations of hunters pick up the crossbow cause it’s a bit easier and archery hunting become a thing of the past.

Trust me I know how hard hunting with a trad bow is. I bought a longbow last year shot it a bunch and have hunted with it a few times limiting myself to 15 yard shots.

To date I have missed two does with my longbow. And to be totally honest I missed them both twice. I would not exactly call the compounds I hunt with pimped out. I shoot 1 pin sighted for 25 yards. And it’s fixed there I don’t move it and limit myself to 25 yards.

Again I am going to state I am not mad nor do I hold any contempt for anyone shooting a crossbow. I have hunted with one myself in the past. muzzle loaders hand guns and modern rifles recurves longbow compound bow. And to date have taken game with everything but the longbow. I hope to change that before this season closes.

I felt that the way crossbow season was set In the past before they changed the regs. Was a good length of time for a crossbow season. Shoot me for not agreeing with you lol.

You are free to believe how you want. I didn’t ask about if the xbow should be used. I asked if it should be extended the few weeks it’s not allowed now to make it the same length. Believe me, we had this discussion years ago and people were fighting mad. Every point you made has been beat to death. The only thing that gets me going is when someone questions why I want to shoot one over the other. It’s a personal decision and I don’t feel any of us need to feel bad or try to justify that to anyone. I’ve said before, enjoying our past time can mean something different to each of us. It’s not a score card on who deserves it more…. Good luck with the longbow. I have one I’ve been thinking of trying myself.

 

[Bowmostofthetime86]

I shot this buck 12/07/17 with a Barnett raptor a youth model crossbow I bought for my sons to use. Still hunting still fun still proud to have taken the buck. Just did not give me the same feeling of accomplishment I have when I use my vertical bow. But that’s just me if you enjoy crossbow hunting I hope you kill a giant. And will be happy for you if you do. I personally do not think hunting with a crossbow is bowhunting. If you do great my opinion is not going to change and we disagree on the matter. And that’s ok we don’t have to agree. Good luck to all with what ever projectile launcher you prefer.

 

[RLWEBB]

So many people say well I can’t pull back a bow because of my shoulder or neck or whatever, now I’m not doubting that, given the F*&#s given by people for their own health in the state. But I say make your health a priority and see what your actually capable of. You don’t need draw a bow at 80#s to kill critters 40#s gets the job done really nicely. If a man cannot draw 40#s and hold (especially a compound) then I worry that hunting should be the last of his priorities. Do some rehab get healthy then after all that is checked off it should be a physical proxied by the state to acquire a card to allow someone to use a cross bow but even then it should be a limited season in October before it gets so cold that it makes that ol bum shoulder hurt.

I know guys well into their 60s that still shoot 45 and 50# longbows. so your point is null. Your health is in your hands you can endure a lot more than you think. It’s amazing what people are capable of when they actually apply themselves. Archery is a discipline and takes practice and the right practice instills good form which leads to better shoulder health. As I said if you truly are to the point that you cannot draw a proper bow fine. But there still has to be a line drawn between conservation applications of crossbows and already dwindling hunting opportunties. Crossbows need a limited season we shouldn’t bend the term Archery to facilitate the needs of lazy hunters. I am not saying that all crossbow hunters are lazy I’m saying the healthy guys/girls could be applying themselves. If you have health issues that prevent you from chasing game I say take care of your self and enjoy everyday in the woods with whatever affords you that chance but don’t tell me it can’t be done at an older age.

Dude you’ve got some issues.

 

[Bowmostofthetime86]

You are free to believe how you want. I didn’t ask about if the xbow should be used. I asked if it should be extended the few weeks it’s not allowed now to make it the same length. Believe me, we had this discussion years ago and people were fighting mad. Every point you made has been beat to death. The only thing that gets me going is when someone questions why I want to shoot one over the other. It’s a personal decision and I don’t feel any of us need to feel bad or try to justify that to anyone. I’ve said before, enjoying our past time can mean something different to each of us. It’s not a score card on who deserves it more…. Good luck with the longbow. I have one I’ve been thinking of trying myself.

I was here for the crossbow debate before I do believe. For the record giving the crossbow any more of our archery season. I vote no if that first couple weeks causes one person to try a vertical bow who would not pick one up otherwise it is worth it. In my most humble opinion.

 

[bgkyarcher]

I was here for the crossbow debate before I do believe. For the record giving the crossbow any more of our archery season. I vote no if that first couple weeks causes one person to try a vertical bow who would not pick one up otherwise it is worth it. In my most humble opinion.

What about those that simply can’t?

 

[Bowmostofthetime86]

What about those that simply can’t?

I have said over and over kids seniors and those who can not draw a bow should be able to use there crossbows for the duration of the archery season.

 

[theprofessor]

1. I'd like to see some of these five year olds who can shoot 60 yards. I don't think it's being done--and kids that young shouldn't hunt anyway.
2. I've never taken a shot over 40 yards with my crossbow, and I don't know anyone who's ever shot over 52. 90% of my shots are under 25 yards.
3. I picked up a vertical because I enjoyed crossbow. If I'd had to start with a vertical, I woulda quit long ago. I still suck at it. Not all of us have three generations of bowhunters in our families, or even anyone who can show us how to do it.
4. Ain't there enough people complaining about how people hunt, without us helping?

 

[Bowmostofthetime86]

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1. I'd like to see some of these five year olds who can shoot 60 yards. I don't think it's being done--and kids that young shouldn't hunt anyway.
2. I've never taken a shot over 40 yards with my crossbow, and I don't know anyone who's ever shot over 52. 90% of my shots are under 25 yards.
3. I picked up a vertical because I enjoyed crossbow. If I'd had to start with a vertical, I woulda quit long ago. I still suck at it. Not all of us have three generations of bowhunters in our families, or even anyone who can show us how to do it.
4. Ain't there enough people complaining about how people hunt, without us helping?

I agree with you that starting out in archery with out some one who has experience can be tough. I have been wrenching on bows since I was 12 or 13.

My dad was a bowhunter as was my grandfather. So I lucked out in that regard. I was also engulfed in archery at a young age and was afforded the luxury of parents who provided me with equipment I needed and wanted as I was growing up.

Even if you are lucky enough to have a good local pro shop it can be intimidating, going to buy a bow for someone new to the game.

If anyone is ever in need of archery service or help in the northern Kentucky area. I would be more than willing to help in anyway I can. I have a bow press and all the gadgets and gizmos needed to handle most issues.

I have gotten many folks involved in archery over the years from 5 to 60. I enjoy all things archery and would not want any compensation. Message me on here I will get you my contact info.

Even if you could use a hand setting up your new crossbow the offer stands.

 

[Derek Trent]

Dude you’ve got some issues.

I know I should have checked my grammar and the spelling is atrocious