Mainbeam
12 pointer
- Jul 7, 2012
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There redoing the language it’s bait only salt and minerals are legal. It was a mistake. That came from Dale Weddle. He said they were working on the revisions right now.
New Bait / salt lick/mineral Ban for KY
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Stone Branch
10 pointer
I'd rather just not be a corn pile sitter and you might say that is my choice to be or not to be. Around here it isn't who is the better hunter, or who spends their whole life fixing habitat, it is who has the biggest corn feeder who kills the deer. Hunting would be more like hunting without bait piles. Deer are habituated to corn feeders where they know that they can wait till dark to fill their bellies and don't have to move during the day to eat.
Except where cwd is a concern, the bait ban isn't about deer but rather it is about turkeys being preyed on at bait piles.
I would like to see the bait ban be about deer.
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WildmanWilson
12 pointer
If that's the case, lets ban food plots too. Its the exact same advantage for the guys that spend a bunch on them and even have the place to put one in. What's the difference if I don't have the means or spot capable of putting it in but the guy next door does? He's pulling all the deer to him and you can do nothing but watch.
I don't much care either way, I guess I fall on the side of banning baiting. Not because I don't like it, it just would be nice not to have to feel like you need to buy corn, 1 less thing to think about.
And I know "Well just don't bait then!" I get it. But still feels like your behind the curve if you're not.
But I can understand the guy who only has 10 acres to hunt and is reliant on a corn pile to enjoy his season.
And I know "Well just don't bait then!" I get it. But still feels like your behind the curve if you're not.
But I can understand the guy who only has 10 acres to hunt and is reliant on a corn pile to enjoy his season.
HuntressOfLight
12 pointer
Good idea... make real hunters out of you...
theprofessor
8 pointer
Drahts mis-spoke in saying spores, but he's right that humic acid can mitigate CWD. It breaks down the prions and reduces spread:
Soil humic acids degrade CWD prions and reduce infectivity
Chronic wasting disease (CWD), an environmentally transmissible, fatal prion disease is endemic in North America, present in South Korea and has recently been confirmed in northern Europe. The expanding geographic range of this contagious disease of free-ranging ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Correct wrong word!Drahts mis-spoke in saying spores, but he's right that humic acid can mitigate CWD. It breaks down the prions and reduces spread:
Soil humic acids degrade CWD prions and reduce infectivity
Chronic wasting disease (CWD), an environmentally transmissible, fatal prion disease is endemic in North America, present in South Korea and has recently been confirmed in northern Europe. The expanding geographic range of this contagious disease of free-ranging ...
Stone Branch
10 pointer
I'm ok with that, although we could argue distinctions between food plots and bait piles. Would we have to ban habitat work too?
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HuntressOfLight
12 pointer
^... More Faggy Stalker behavior exhibited by Tankt
WildmanWilson
12 pointer
Or we can let everyone do the way they are now. That's the simplest way. Or if they want to make things more "natural" make the law that the corn must be broadcast like it is in the field.
I've seen acorns pilled up around an oak like a corn pile. How do we stop the deer from gathering to it? Or an apple tree. I see several deer eat off the same ear of corn. There is no way to keep deer from spreading germs when they are always in close contact from eating and grooming.
I just don't like the system of punishing some that have no means of drawing in deer while they allow the next guy to do it with a technicality. Food plots are no more natural than a corn pile. It has nothing to do with agricultural practice of growing something for our use. It's only to draw in deer. Just like planting a sunflower field just to mow it down. They are fine but a guy with a bare lot can't throw seeds on the ground.....
If baiting laws are passed it then comes down to the law breaker with the advantage and the legal guy being punished.
JDMiller
12 pointer
First let me say my thoughts here are in no way intended to be disrespectful to anyones opinion on this subject.… as there’s good & bad points to be made for & against baiting, food plots or anything we do to attract wildlife to our properties.
Which from a hunting perspective we use to run feeders, pour corn on the ground and utilize that means to attract deer for years. This was also in conjunction to planting & maintaining up to 4 acres of ladino clover.
Which my experience with feeding corn…. Yes it attracts does & primarily young bucks through the majority of season. Larger bucks (3.5 +) especially after they shed and as bachelor groups start breaking up…..they seem to skirt feeder locations like the plague. At times it wasn’t a lot of rhyme or reason why other than they just patterned us more than we did them coming in to fill feeders and pour corn out on the ground. Around 2008 we stopped running feeders and using corn consistently on our place and honestly our hunting (larger buck sightings)improved. I’ll also add we’ve pretty much gone to cellular cams and I’ve also seen a noticeable difference as were not bumping deer and encroaching in their core travel areas unless were actually hunting.
I’ll also add that since 2008 we have on occasions poured a bag of two of corn in front of cameras in August just to take inventory. Didn’t happen too often but we did on occasion in a few spots on the place we dont hunt to often to see what might be fooling around there. But even at that it was never that consistent replenish… when it was gone..it was gone. We also found the licks & mineral sites gave us as good idea on a consistent basis more so than a pile of corn.
Now to food plots…… I love putting in plots and in my mindset …. It is the most beneficial to all wildlife period. Clovers, sunflowers, millet & native grasses / wildflowers benefit , bees, songbirds, big game & small game.… and for the most part a year round benefit unlike feeding corn & stopping at the end of deer season when the critters need it most. I’ll also add from a health perspective on deer…. their a grazing animal and food plots have a tendency to disperse and spread out lessening nose to mouth contact as easily as deer feeders & corn piles. Also with food plots … your attracting wildlife including deer….. but the element of which trail or direction they enter fields & plots can vary on each occasion you hunt..if they show at all. Food plots are no slam dunk….just as a bait site with a few hundred pounds of corn.
Nether supplemental feeding or food plots are necessary for our hunting. There’s enough natural browse and ag fields in Ky their just not needed. I can take or leave supplemental feeding bans but would take issue with food plots for a variety of reasons. One being I understand stopping someone from physically running feeders our pouring bait on the ground. A feeder or pile of corn doesnt naturally occur, germinate, grow, go dormant or hinge on weather conditions. But from a food plot / habitat improvement perspective it will be impossible to control nor should be regulated by KDF&WR’s to a land owner on what he legally plants on his property or the intended purpose. This can spill over to gardens, pastures ag crops, even to trees & orchards pending how far you want to argue the differences.
Again … just my thoughts.
Which from a hunting perspective we use to run feeders, pour corn on the ground and utilize that means to attract deer for years. This was also in conjunction to planting & maintaining up to 4 acres of ladino clover.
Which my experience with feeding corn…. Yes it attracts does & primarily young bucks through the majority of season. Larger bucks (3.5 +) especially after they shed and as bachelor groups start breaking up…..they seem to skirt feeder locations like the plague. At times it wasn’t a lot of rhyme or reason why other than they just patterned us more than we did them coming in to fill feeders and pour corn out on the ground. Around 2008 we stopped running feeders and using corn consistently on our place and honestly our hunting (larger buck sightings)improved. I’ll also add we’ve pretty much gone to cellular cams and I’ve also seen a noticeable difference as were not bumping deer and encroaching in their core travel areas unless were actually hunting.
I’ll also add that since 2008 we have on occasions poured a bag of two of corn in front of cameras in August just to take inventory. Didn’t happen too often but we did on occasion in a few spots on the place we dont hunt to often to see what might be fooling around there. But even at that it was never that consistent replenish… when it was gone..it was gone. We also found the licks & mineral sites gave us as good idea on a consistent basis more so than a pile of corn.
Now to food plots…… I love putting in plots and in my mindset …. It is the most beneficial to all wildlife period. Clovers, sunflowers, millet & native grasses / wildflowers benefit , bees, songbirds, big game & small game.… and for the most part a year round benefit unlike feeding corn & stopping at the end of deer season when the critters need it most. I’ll also add from a health perspective on deer…. their a grazing animal and food plots have a tendency to disperse and spread out lessening nose to mouth contact as easily as deer feeders & corn piles. Also with food plots … your attracting wildlife including deer….. but the element of which trail or direction they enter fields & plots can vary on each occasion you hunt..if they show at all. Food plots are no slam dunk….just as a bait site with a few hundred pounds of corn.
Nether supplemental feeding or food plots are necessary for our hunting. There’s enough natural browse and ag fields in Ky their just not needed. I can take or leave supplemental feeding bans but would take issue with food plots for a variety of reasons. One being I understand stopping someone from physically running feeders our pouring bait on the ground. A feeder or pile of corn doesnt naturally occur, germinate, grow, go dormant or hinge on weather conditions. But from a food plot / habitat improvement perspective it will be impossible to control nor should be regulated by KDF&WR’s to a land owner on what he legally plants on his property or the intended purpose. This can spill over to gardens, pastures ag crops, even to trees & orchards pending how far you want to argue the differences.
Again … just my thoughts.
Cornpile
12 pointer
predator1
12 pointer
Some well spoken and thought out responses.
My take. If it’s private property, you should be able to hunt however you see fit so long as you stay within the harvest guidelines. Baiting, as some of you have pointed out, IS NOT shooting fish in a barrel. In a way, it makes it harder depending on your personal goals. Banning the use of bait is just more government overreach on property you paid taxes on to purchase, paid taxes on to keep, all so the government can threaten you on how you are allowed to use it.
Ultimately, if you are setting over a pile of bait, sitting on an oak flat, sitting over a crop field or foodplot. You are using those items to your advantage to ambush an animal.
Some others pointed out access to land. Not all propertys carry the same potential. Whether it be lack of acreage, location, lack of cover, habitat improvement not being possible or even physical limitations. None of us are equal, and never will be. Sometimes baiting is the only option some people have to even see a deer. You pretty much end their hunting opportunities by ending baiting methods.
Our states deer herd is one of the best in the country. We got here by baiting and no one complained. As property sizes shrunk, land access shrunk, and leases more popular. That’s when the trouble started.
CWD will not be stopped by ending baiting. Not a single state has stopped CWD no matter what method they employed. Man has never defeated nature. Man never will. Nature will fix itself just fine if man will stay out of its way.
Stone Branch
10 pointer
I often feel like the one that has no means to draw in the deer with just my chainsaw and drip torch. With limited funds the first ones on the feeding list would be dogs, two would be me, and at $9 a bag three would be deer. Then the fat cats show with a boat load of corn.
As a legal guy I have been at a disadvantage every where I have owned and managed land to hunt deer.
G
